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    planting a tree above a shredded tree

    I had a big tree in my front yard cut down and they shredded the stump down about 8 inches below the ground.question is can i plant a tree above the remainder of the old tree stump with only about 8 inches of space between the old stump and the top of the ground.Also would i run into trouble since the shredded up stump is basically what makes up my soil surrounding where the tree used to be.Also i am wanting to plant a smaller version of a colorado spruce, dont know if that makes a difference or not.any help would be appreciated.thx

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    RE: planting a tree above a shredded tree

    Just so I understand this -> A large tree was removed leaving a stump that was 'removed' by chopping/shredding it to about 8" below soil-line? If so, then I would not plant there for a while (a few years, IMO) as the 'wood' is going to decompose *slowly* while the new tree is going to be trying to shove roots into an area already spoken for. Maybe if you 'shredded/removed' the stumpage a lot deeper and replaced with decent 'topsoil' things would do OK as time passes. A lot depends on just how much rootage there is radiating from that stump also - crowded new roots lead to stunted growth, right? Different species have different amounts/densities of roots proximal to trunk - kinda depends there.

    A new planting deserves a fair chance to grow new roots without spending energy in excess sending roots out much further than it really should trying to get established. I would also 'mix' in a lot of soil with that shredded wood to make it more 'soily' instead of *just* a mulch of wood, at a very minimum. A year or two from now (climate variances influence it), the shredded wood will have become useful to trees, but right now its just 'there' and won't really help support growth in a 'nutritious' way. It will help being mixed in with good soil, of course, but as a 'majority' component - no.

    I am unfamiliar with Blue Spruce, so I withhold comment on that aspect

    Alex

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    RE: planting a tree above a shredded tree

    Blue Spruces are hardy. Use some common sense prepping the site. Chunk down as far as posible through the old root system. Ideally through to the bottom so water will drain and decomposition will hasten from within. Get a one gallon tree and load up with topsoil and mulch.

    Water in dry spells to keep decomposition uninterupted. Conifers in freindly climates can seemingly grow out of solid rock. What they have are cracks and moisture for root developement.

    Didn't mean to be so long in the tooth.

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    Re: RE: planting a tree above a shredded tree

    [quote="tntreeherder"] Conifers in freindly climates can seemingly grow out of solid rock. What they have are cracks and moisture for root developement.
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    Oh yeah - its possible for 'em to grow with cramped roots, for sure - I have lots of 'potted' trees by intent. Seems I'm always repotting something, LOL. But do you *want* a tree like that?

    Those that grow out of the cramped root-area are almost always severely stunted/malformed and such, and many folk (me included) go tromping the woods looking for such 'unique' trees that are supremely atypical in growth. Its how most of us 'bonsai folk' restrict growth of potted trees by limiting the available root-space, and other 'tricks' to *slow* things down and reduce leaf-size as well in the process. Pretty much opposite of what most folks want for an in-ground specimen intended to become LARGE (and normal) Its a personal choice just how much you want the tree to develop 'normally', IMO, or maybe you want something that is nothing like a 'normal growth' tree.

    HTH,
    Alex

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    RE: planting a tree above a shredded tree

    Alex, you may have stumbled on something! treeracer did say they wanted a smaller version of the blue spruce, so a bit of root binding might be a good thing.

    I would still worry about that tree being more susceptible to disease and so forth - doing something as bonsai and keeping it in a very controlled environment is a lot different than forcing some restrictions on the tree by planting it in a stump.

    I would advise not planting any trees or shrubs in that stump until there's no longer any stump or roots there (whether through time & nature or tools & manual labor).
    Cheers,
    Everett

    Green Man Enviroscaping LLC
    www.greenmanenvy.com

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    Re: RE: planting a tree above a shredded tree

    Quote Originally Posted by ellyssian
    ... doing something as bonsai and keeping it in a very controlled environment is a lot different than forcing some restrictions on the tree by planting it in a stump. / snip /I would advise not planting any trees or shrubs in that stump until there's no longer any stump or roots there (whether through time & nature or tools & manual labor).
    I totally agree (as just an very experienced 'layman' without any 'tree' credentialing). With the bonsai-stuff, it takes yearly (or every other) repotting to keep health/vigor - lack of attention and tree dies quickly! Not the best comparison by any means, but the parallels are there, for sure, in this particular and somewhat unique scenario presented.

    Myself, I'd recommend, if he/she is capable, to 'just get physical' on that there stumpage and then problem solved, plus getting the daily RDA of aerobic activity, LOL. Or find some really nice ground cover (annual-type?) for a few years and let MaMa Nature take care of it.

    A thought on smaller Blue's: Isn't there something called 'Fat Albert', a smaller Blue? Only seen pics, fwiw, but they are nice lookin' things, no doubt!

    Not to take this 'off-topic', I've always wondered how long 'dead' roots are 'solid and significant' post-death...I'm pretty sure Taxodium distichum (sp?) (baldcypress et al) essentially does not get affected by water 'rot', so is it there like almost forever?

    G' Luck, treeracer - wanna borrow my axe???
    Alex

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