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    Seedling
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    How do I make a windbreak look natural?

    I am in the process of developing a plan for my new property where I am building a house. It is 40 acres, but right now I just want to develop an area near the house measuring 190 ft x 250 ft.

    I want to put up a windbreak to block the prevailing winds as well as screen my home from the neighbors. I have chosen to put up hybrid poplars closest to the fenceline, then a row of douglas fir and norway spruce (alternating) on the inside, so eventually I will have a year round windbreak. The chart says I live in zone 5, but according to what I see growing locally I am more likely a 3 or maybe could stretch it to 4.

    Will it be a problem to have the poplars on the outside since the afternoon sun will be blocked from the fir/spruce? I really like the idea of having the fir/spruce on the inside as I think they are nicer to look at.

    Second question, everything that I have read here discourages planting in lines/rows. I do not see how I can get around that, as the particular idea is to have a privacy screen/windbreak. Any suggestions? I do plan to plant other trees scattered around, so at least from the inside it will look a little more natural but will definately look like a row from the outside. I understand about what will happen if a tree dies (the empty spot).

    Other trees I am planting are: colorado spruce, white spruce, grand fir, nordmann fir, a handfull of ponderosa pines (my son's request), incense cedar, a few giant sequoia (these are an experiment), hybrid willows, caragana, & russian olives. How many trees are too many? Eventually I will be planting trees out in the rest of the acreage, but this will be a few years until the potted plants get large enough to be safe from the horses that will be pastured out there (even then they will be fenced until they are 10-15ft tall).

    Thanks for your help,
    Shannon
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    Oak
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    RE: How do I make a windbreak look natural?

    If you have the area, you can stagger the trees and still get 100% coverage by making a deeper "row".

    Instead of:

    (in)
    ####
    (out)

    Try:

    (in)
    #
    ..#
    ........#
    ....#
    (out)

    Of course, without the constraints of lines and period spacers, you can make an even more natural appearing variation.
    Cheers,
    Everett

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    RE: How do I make a windbreak look natural?

    I think it will look natural like that especially if you stagger the rows at random distances like Ellyssian said and if you don't forget the shrubs and little understory plants. If you have grass there, just don't mow it (or better yet, kill it) and see what comes up. By the time your trees are a decent size you probably won't even be able to notice where the trunks even are because it will all be dense shrubs when viewed at a distance.

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    RE: How do I make a windbreak look natural?

    Using shrubs will help ALOT. Many a privacy screen and windbreak around here start about ten feet high because the trees just stop producing lower branches due to their own shade. Start researching stuff which tolerates shade and flowers or has good berries, or something and plant as you find things. That way its sure to be a little more random.
    Zone 6, St. Louis, MO

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    RE: How do I make a windbreak look natural?

    Thank you everyone for the suggestions.

    I am planning on leaving a few of the native sagebrush & rabbit brush for understory cover for now. I like the native look and they will make good windbreak for the younger seedlings/smaller trees while they are getting established. There are also some interesting natural bunch grasses, I hope to leave as many of those as possible there as well. I am trying to plan and revise my planting 'diagram' to try to stagger things, and at least alternate types of evergreens for some variety. I had to start rethinking tree placement when I saw the posting about not planting willows within 50 feet of the septic/drainfield.

    In some of the areas, I have some wildflower seed that I will be planting amongst the trees that should add some dimension and color/variety. I am really trying to go for a low maintenance style for now, but will also put in a few antique climbing rose bushes at the front fence.

    Does anyone have some answers for any of my other questions in my original posting?

    Thank you,
    Shannon
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    RE: How do I make a windbreak look natural?

    The trap that most windbreak people fall in to is packing the trees together so tightly that they look really nice a few years down the road, but a few years after that they get weedy, the trees start fighting for light, water, nutrients and space and the bottom branches all die out. Also, wind movement is very, very important in a windbreak. Rain takes forever to evaporate if there is zero airflow and you're opening yourself up for all kinds of fungi and mold grief. Also, windbreaks are designed to slow the wind down, not stop it (you can't stop it, so it will just blast over the top creating powerful turbulence on the back side which isn't really what you're after).
    Plant the trees far enough apart so that they can grow to beautiful, massive specimen trees and live full, healthy lives. This also makes removing volunteer trees such as mulberries a snap. Mowing between trees is also important. If you have two firs that will have 25' spreads, plant them 25' apart.

    Here's a wonderful site or two on how to plant windbreaks:

    http://www.ext.nodak.edu/extpubs/pla...ees/f1055w.htm

    http://muextension.missouri.edu/xplo...try/g05900.htm

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    RE: How do I make a windbreak look natural?

    Thank you for the sites, they have been very informative and brought up a problem that I didnt think about, the snow drift that will accumulate on the other side (of course right in the area I am trying to protect).

    I have attached a basic template showing the layout at the property, this area is the south-east corner of a perfect square 40 acre parcel (1/4 mile each side). I have also included some basic measurements for reference. The areas to the North and North east will be horse pastures except for the area designated as barns.

    Suggestions are very welcome. I have a lot of trees to plant. I think quite a few are going to have to be potted so they can be moved later on, as it looks like 271 trees will be far to many. Initially I thought I would plant the trees closer together, and then later move them when they get about 10 feet tall. Is this a bad idea? Any trees I want to move out into the pasture areas need to be at least 5-10 ft tall, and will still have to be fences for a few more years beyond that to keep the horses from using them as scratching posts when they are too small to handle it.

    The trees/shrubs I have to plant are as follows:

    Caragana - 25
    Russian Olive - 25
    Hybrid Poplars - 25
    Hybrid Willows - 15
    Aspen - 7 (see the Aspen grove already on the map)
    Douglas Fir - 30
    Giant Sequoia - 5 (these are an experiment and may not grow here)
    Ponderosa Pine - 12
    Incense Cedar - 25
    White Spruce - 38
    Grand Fir - 16
    Norway Spruce - 40
    Nordmann Fir - 6
    Colorado Spruce - 2
    Blue Pine - 3 (these will likely not survive here)
    Snowball bush (viburnum) - 1
    Red Jonathan Apple - 1 (I still need to find a pollinator)

    Thanks,
    Shannon
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    RE: How do I make a windbreak look natural?

    There is an error on my map, the measurement right beneath the proposed quaking aspen grove is 250 ft.

    Thank you,
    Shannon
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    RE: How do I make a windbreak look natural?

    Two questions:

    One, does anyone know why my map of my property does not show up any longer???

    Two, does anyone have any suggestions regarding placement of the trees I mentioned in my previous posting??

    Thank you,
    Shannon
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    RE: How do I make a windbreak look natural?

    OK, disregard my question regarding my map, it just took a little bit for the page to show it.

    My apologies.

    Shannon
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